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mverardo |
| | | | | | posted 7/22/2010 02:23 |   | | | | | | | | | Hello!
I am a computer science student in Brazil, and I really want to learn more about Artificial Intelligence.
I have been thinking about this for a while, and it appears that before I even try out AI, I need to understand another subject: The human brain structure.
Do you know any good book, or paper that could help me understand how the brain works?
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will i dream |
| | | | | | posted 7/22/2010 02:58 | | | | | | | | | | no matter what u read - u will end up back here
yes theres is so much about structure and activity and so on -
but there is no answer as to how simulate it
u have to accetp - its so much bigger than u might think
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mverardo |
| | | | | | posted 7/22/2010 03:19 | | | | | | | | | | Thank you for the answer!
I see your point, and I already thought those topics were greater than I could imagine.
But even in this case, I really wanted to have at least litlle background on those before I dive into AI.
If they are not worthy for AI learning, at least I could learn this to satisfy my own curiosity.
If you think I'm searching in the wrong forum, please let me know.
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will i dream |
| | | | | | posted 7/22/2010 03:50 | | | | | | | | | | oh ur in the right forum alright
but u want answers so fast
this place is littered with potholes and craeters - each one a different opinion - so robust it scares others - this is not good - too much individual passion curesd with primitive contact - a text message to convey the 'workings of life'
cant work
understand the complexity of your idea to thoes that are here
jesus man - were listening - for a long long time
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hunt |
| | | | | | posted 7/22/2010 03:56 | | | | | | | | | | I'm not sure at what level you understand neurology, so I'll just throw up some interesting links.
All the basics, brought to you via the University of Bristol: http://www.bristol.ac.uk/synaptic/basics/
I <3 hyperphysics. Just click through the links: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/biology/nervecell.html
MIT's Intro to Neuroscience uses "Neuroscience: Exploring the Brain" by Mark F. Bear, et al. Here's a link to the OCW page, which links to the Google book: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/brain-and-cognitive-sciences/9-01-introduction-to-neuroscience-fall-2007/readings/
The lecture notes for the course are probably also good: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/brain-and-cognitive-sciences/9-01-introduction-to-neuroscience-fall-2007/lecture-notes/
If you are more interested in the memory/learning aspects of the brain: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/brain-and-cognitive-sciences/9-03-neural-basis-of-learning-and-memory-fall-2007/lecture-notes/
"The Handbook of Brain Theory and Neural Networks", edited by Michael A. Arbib (2003). This book might be promising, but I haven't read it: http://books.google.com/books?id=Av6qWhtw0-EC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
Here's an interesting Nature article from 2004 about how the brain might generalize visual and motor input, which seems particularly relevant to AI development: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v431/n7010/full/nature03014.html
Coming full circle to AI, this article discusses a European collaborative project called FACETS that is attempting to build "neurons" on a chip. Looks neat: http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22339/?a=f
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will i dream |
| | | | | | posted 7/22/2010 04:19 | | | | | | | | | | woops - i shouldnt have been here at all last night -
jesus - im a gobshite
good luck people
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mverardo |
| | | | | | posted 7/22/2010 04:30 | | | | | | | | | | Hunt, thank you.
This was exactly what I was looking for.
I am beginner when it comes to neurology, and your links are really interesting.
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ts_ |
| | | | | | posted 7/22/2010 13:25 | | | | | | | | | | neurons like computers do nothing more than compute, only in a different way than computers. what is important is the program that is being executed by this computer made of neurons. it won't be easy to decode this program that is being run by our brain, maybe even impossible. either way, we are very far away from it. we haven't even found out exactly how neurons do the computing.
we need to speed up computers for them to run AI, and in my opinion we will achieve that by creating multiprocessor computers. now computers have 1 or 2 CPUs, but in the future they will have millions little processors, each one working as fast like today's processors. nanotechnology will enable this. then AI programmers will be able to use THREADS to execute pieces of code simultaneously which will speed things A LOT.
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mverardo |
| | | | | | posted 7/22/2010 18:24 | | | | | | | | | | ts_, I see your point.
The neurons would relate to a computer's hardware, and the thought would relate to the computer software.
The thing is: I was able to program without knowing how the hardware works. But when I learned at least some of the comcepts about the hardware, programming got a lot easier.
This is one of my goals, try to understand how the neurons do the computations in our brain.
I know that nobody has understood that yet, and this is one of the motives I am so interested in the question.
I want to understand why it is so hard to figure that out.
About the multiprocessor computers, I have seen some lectures about a technology from NVidia called Cuda that uses a lot of GPUs running in parallel.
Using "C for Cuda" you can run programs with lots of threads on graphics cards.
I don't think this would compare to the number of neurons in the brain...but, well, it's a start!
Wikipedia link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA
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kimjo625 |
| | | | | | posted 7/29/2010 14:08 | | | | | | | | | | | |
mverardo wrote @ 7/22/2010 2:23:00 AM:
Hello!
I am a computer science student in Brazil, and I really want to learn more about Artificial Intelligence.
I have been thinking about this for a while, and it appears that before I even try out AI, I need to understand another subject: The human brain structure.
Do you know any good book, or paper that could help me understand how the brain works?
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Good thinking. There is no way to simulate brain activity if you don't know anything about brain and its developmental process.
If you are intelligent enough you should be able to connect what you've learned in neuroscience and come up with your own procedures to make true AI. Strangely, no one has struck this gold mine yet.
The key step is coming up with THE ENTIRE LIST OF DYNAMIC BRAIN FUNCTIONS WITHOUT OVERLAPPING. (which is hard, but not impossible.)
Creating true AI is an open problem. It has many solutions. (Although none of them worked so far. I shall try my own too, lol)
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