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ts_ |
| | | | | | posted 3/17/2010 15:24 |   | | | | | | | | | So imagine you would create machine translation program that would translate perfectly understandable from one human language to another. What would you do with it? How much do you think would Google offer for it?
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Octavius |
| | | | | | posted 3/18/2010 15:00 | | | | | | | | | | DThe perfect translator could get you rich but there would be one major flaw. It would constantly hv to be updated due to the every day new words that popup. Day one "come to my place", day two "You should land by my digs". Supposing you sold it to google, they would demand for a large discount due to the manpower they will hv to put in it. Plus no AI in it
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tkorrovi |
| | | | | | posted 3/20/2010 15:37 | | | | | | | | | | Ts_, you appeared and "will i dream" offended me two days before, is some attack planned against me again? I feel it is coming so to prevent this, i would not post in this forum a month starting from today, so it should be clear that i'm not the one who wants trouble.
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ts_ |
| | | | | | posted 3/20/2010 18:36 | | | | | | | | | | Hi tkorrovi. :)
I don't intend to offend you so you can post if you want to.
If anyone else remembers me here is some info about my work: I haven't done anything :D. I have about 30 handwritten pages of unrelated ideas. I'm giving it another try now, this time less philosophizing and more practical work.
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ts_ |
| | | | | | posted 3/20/2010 18:40 | | | | | | | | | | | |
Octavius wrote @ 3/18/2010 3:00:00 PM:
DThe perfect translator could get you rich but there would be one major flaw. It would constantly hv to be updated due to the every day new words that popup. Day one "come to my place", day two "You should land by my digs". Supposing you sold it to google, they would demand for a large discount due to the manpower they will hv to put in it. Plus no AI in it
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if it would be perfect translator then anyone could describe new words to it in natural language with existing words. like new words in dictionary are described with existing words. because for translator to be perfect it has to be able to UNDERSTAND what it is translating.
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Octavius |
| | | | | | posted 3/21/2010 16:50 | | | | | | | | | | You've got a point, but in order to understand, one must interact. And this translator will probably reside on a computer somewhere without interacting with anyone except those seeking translation. That means it will still need someone to fill it in on the latest slang, and I'm just skeptical that people would want to spend their time teaching it. But hey, if you'r planning on doing this practically, fill me in on how you think it should work. We mite just learn something, I'v also got some ideas
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ts_ |
| | | | | | posted 3/21/2010 20:46 | | | | | | | | | | my plan is this: write logical puzzles solver. for this i will need to write inference engine. (then improve it to solve other types of puzzles, less formal.) then create simplified english (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_natural_language, http://web.science.mq.edu.au/~rolfs/peng/). then write translator from simplified english to my formal logic. then continually improve this simplified english until it's very close to natural english. then do this for some other natural language. then i can translate from english to formal logic, and from formal logic to second natural language.
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ts_ |
| | | | | | posted 3/21/2010 20:53 | | | | | | | | | | as for your concern that people would need to spend time explaining new words: we could simply direct translator to read some online (slang) dictionary.
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Octavius |
| | | | | | posted 3/21/2010 21:24 | | | | | | | | | | Ok, so by formal logic I assume you mean the programs understanding of what the text means, right? If so, how will this understanding be represented in the program (format) and what programming language do you plan on using?
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ts_ |
| | | | | | posted 3/21/2010 21:40 | | | | | | | | | | format will be developed as i go along, but something similar to predicate logic. programming language: Euphoria for testing, then if I need speed C or C++.
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Octavius |
| | | | | | posted 3/21/2010 22:00 | | | | | | | | | | Nice, guess I have to do some homework on predicate logic, might be usefull to my project. The hardest part of a project for me is moving from planning to implementing, I know how to give myself excuses : ) so todays excuse is first learn abt predicate logic : ) what do you think about true ai?
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ts_ |
| | | | | | posted 3/21/2010 22:26 | | | | | | | | | | true ai is possible, it will be very interesting to see it and also very useful for humankind. intelligent robot workers could replace humand workers in many areas and enable that only those people work who want to work. but i have no clue if these intelligent robots can have emotions. if yes then it will be even more interesting, cos we will be able to study how/when emotions arise. maybe we could even engineer new kinds of emotions, never experienced by any creature :)
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Octavius |
| | | | | | posted 3/21/2010 23:04 | | | | | | | | | | Speaking of emotions, I hv a theory that needs a bit of healthy criticism. Do you suppose it would be wrong to define an emotion as a sensation generated by the mind to represent a number of received stimuli and the context in which they occur. For example, when you'r in a cage with a lion, your logic tells you you'r going to get eaten. So adrenaline kicks In, meaning, your heart rate increases, your breathing rate increases, more blood to the eyes, and your brain interprets this collection of data as fear. The same changes to the body will be interprated as excitement when u win the lottery because of the context in which they occur. Is this theory practical?
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toborman |
| | | | | | posted 3/22/2010 03:55 | | | | | | | | | | | |
Octavius wrote @ 3/21/2010 10:00:00 PM:
Nice, guess I have to do some homework on predicate logic, might be usefull to my project. The hardest part of a project for me is moving from planning to implementing, I know how to give myself excuses : ) so todays excuse is first learn abt predicate logic : ) what do you think about true ai?
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propositional and syllogistic logic would also be useful.
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Octavius |
| | | | | | posted 3/22/2010 08:10 | | | | | | | | | | Thanx man, but right now I'd really like some help with my emotion theory. That's just a summery, but I hope its enough for someone to point out its flaws so I can work on them
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| | | | | | posted 3/22/2010 11:43 | | | | | | | | | | | |
Octavius wrote @ 3/21/2010 11:04:00 PM:
define an emotion as a sensation generated by the mind to represent a number of received stimuli and the context in which they occur.
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i suppose you could define emotions like that. emotions are interesting but it's counter-productive to think about them too much. besides that emotions are just predecessor of rational thought. both serve same function: to solve problems, to find out what to do.
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will i dream |
| | | | | | posted 3/25/2010 01:16 | | | | | | | | | | @ tkorrovi
what the hell are u talking about
"some planned attack against me again"
are u loosing your mind?
jesus ive never said anything to you
my comment was at Alcides Iván Meza and his dumb aexz program , that - as far as i can see- does nothing
check the post again - will you
sorry ts_ - this is your topic
hey welcome back man
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eastwind.ai |
| | | | | | posted 4/1/2010 03:53 | | | | | | | | | | It will be worth a lot. Who knows how much google will offer for it. Why will you sell it to google if you ever came up with it? Why?
The perfect machine translator has to be true AI or just a very thin line away.
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ts_ |
| | | | | | posted 4/2/2010 11:05 | | | | | | | | | | Selling it to Google would be the easiest way. Other option would be to offer its service directly to whoever needs it, in exchange for pay. That would probably make much more money, I agree. You get rich if you sell something continuously directly to individual people and firms. A lot of people give you little money and you get rich. :)
I agree with you that perfect translator will have to be very close to true AI.
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ts_ |
| | | | | | posted 4/2/2010 11:16 | | | | | | | | | | When we will have perfect translator done my way (translation from natural language into formal logic language) it will also be possible to tell to some program in natural language how you want it customized. That is probably my next step, ie programming in natural language. Imagine for example some big program that has thousands of different commands. You know it's possible to do some specific thing with it but you can't find the right command in the documentation. With natural language understanding you could simply explain to this big program what you want it to do, no need for you to search for correct command and its syntax in program's documentation. First step would be to explain to it what you want to do, and it would find you the right commands and how you should use them. Next step would be for program to also execute all the commands for you. And since compilers like Visual C++ are nothing but big programs with many commands and a lot of documentation it will be eventually possible to code in natural language anything you can accurately describe.
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